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« on: April 30, 2007, 09:47:46 pm »

What do you think when you hear AP's/PAP's justify their adoption by saying "It's what God wants for us" or some similar line of reasoning?

I mean, if they are infertile, why isn't that a "sign" from God?  As in, perhaps you shouldn't be raising children, then? 

Or when the nmother changes her mind, why do they not seem to see the hand of God in that? 

God is just a handy excuse for getting what they want, IMHO.  If things dont' go their way, then it's everybody else's fault...heaven forbid that God not deliver on their every desire.   Huh?
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« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2007, 10:02:07 pm »

Im not a religious person.  However I am a very spiritual person.

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I mean, if they are infertile, why isn't that a "sign" from God?  As in, perhaps you shouldn't be raising children, then? 
My a-mum wasn't able to have any children.  She adopted four children.  If its a sign from a god, then its a bloody stupid one.  My mum was awesome.  She was meant to be a mother and she was damn good at it.    mum!  I wouldn't say adoption or infertility is about what god wanted, or didn't want for my mother.  I believe in making choices for your life and your choices ultimately decide your destiny.  I also don't believe that my mother dying of an illness seven years ago was 'gods' choice.  It was **** horrible, that's what it was and is.    Lips Sealed

I mean, if people try and justify things that way.. then would it mean that people who have car accidents shouldn't drive cars?  People who can't get a job shouldn't work.  People who can't afford to eat, should starve?  It makes no sense to me. 
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« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2007, 10:23:28 pm »

Yeah, my kid was born with some special needs.
One of my kooky acquaintances sent me a three page email saying how my infant's open wounds and missing hand were the work of God and how I needed to pray to Jesus for help.
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WTF?

I will have no part of a God who hurts infants in utero, causes infertility and provides adoptions to those who think they deserve a baby.
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« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2007, 11:29:27 pm »

Yanno, if I want to get laid, how come God doesn't help ME?  Why is it just my tough luck that I am not getting laid? ? ?   Lips Sealed
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« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2007, 11:48:27 pm »

Jesus loves you, Julie.

Maybe you and Son of God can get it on. 
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« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2007, 11:55:10 pm »

Jesus loves you, Julie.

Maybe you and Son of God can get it on. 

I don't know, Sarah.  I'm part Arab and, last I heard from Geedubya, Jesus hates Arabs. 
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« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2007, 05:44:13 am »

Yeah - I LOVE it when those (named like flowers) like to sprout how wonderful being adopted is - and sprout how wonderful and Christian she is - then she does the most God-awful nasty nasty things to other adoptees and first mums because they're just too damn cranky and not God fearing enough.   

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SUCH A LOAD OF  Huh? I SAY.

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(my step father was an Anglican minister - and he was one of the evilest humans I knew - but I really won't go there)


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« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2007, 08:07:29 am »

God is the ultimate scapegoat - such an easy excuse for everything.

What I don't get is if god meant for someone to adopt then doesn't that mean that god made a mistake when he allowed the nmom to get pregnant? I thought god doesn't make mistakes.

So I guess their answer to that would be that god got nmom pregnant in order to give that child to them - blech. Still sounds like a mistake to me.

And like god has nothing better to do then to sit up there pointing his finger saying okay, you're allowed to get pregnant, you're not, you can but you can't keep the child, oh, and you, you're going to beat your kid until the state steps in and takes him away. And he does this with how many kids each year? Maybe that's why we're still at war - cause god is to busy juggling children.

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« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2007, 08:17:29 am »

And then there's the whole Moses was adopted.  Which is totally false, especially when compared with adoption as it is today.
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« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2007, 10:08:05 am »

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OMG OMG OMG Dory - I do believe you've had an epiphany!!!! 
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« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2007, 11:10:27 am »

Nothing makes me more angry then someone who spews hate, and bullshit in the name of God.  They always seem the 1st to judge too, u know?  Interesting that is...
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« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2007, 11:52:02 am »

my reply is...

did god want me to suffer then? god wanted me to lose my mother? he wanted my mother to have a lifetime of pain from losing me? he wanted me to feel lost my whole life? all because he wanted to give an infertile couple a baby? yeah OOOOk.

I personally hate when people use God to justify ANYTHING. Maybe because my mom puts God as the reason SHE surrendered!! that pisses me off just as much.
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« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2007, 01:06:50 pm »

What do you think when you hear AP's/PAP's justify their adoption by saying "It's what God wants for us" or some similar line of reasoning?

I mean, if they are infertile, why isn't that a "sign" from God?  As in, perhaps you shouldn't be raising children, then? 

Or when the nmother changes her mind, why do they not seem to see the hand of God in that? 

God is just a handy excuse for getting what they want, IMHO.  If things dont' go their way, then it's everybody else's fault...heaven forbid that God not deliver on their every desire.   Huh?



If they get what they want, it's the blessing of God

If something bad happens to them, then it was Satan's doing.

What ever happened to random crap happens in life. Sometimes good, sometimes bad?
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« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2007, 04:21:43 pm »

wait, hold up a sec...so what you're trying to say is that God didn't make the one child policy in China and cause millions of mothers and fathers and children suffer horribly and in many cases die just so I could get my two kids? I thought I was that special 'sniff
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« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2007, 05:06:45 pm »

It's funny the things people ascribe to the hand of God.

One of the things that's struck me recently is how desperately random most events really are. Good, bad, indifferent.

Why, if they're all in God's hands, are so many adoption stories not that happy for at least 1/3 of the parties involved? How can God really show his love for one person by making another person suffer? What would make that type of God even remotely appealing?

If that is how things work, then I'm going to become a Druid tomorrow, because that SUCKS.  Tongue
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